DUST Search - Can this get explained ?

Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

So how many pellets are in one shot ?

Ten ???

Edit : If so then that means that the resistance bonuses are garbage .

The shotgun should be a heavy weapon then if it deals that much damage .

you know its funny you should say that... a while back there was a threadnaught about that very thing... it became a running joke for a while....

It should be considering the damage that it distributes .

I'm not on the band wagon for such but considering the damage out put it seems kind of obvious .

It would be pretty underpowered for a heavy weapon, tbh. Assuming no overheat and continuous firing (cos I can't remember the HMG overheat values right now) you'd get 10.6s of firing, which, at 720 DPS at STD (18 damage per shot at 240 RPM) comes to 7600 damage per magazine. A STD SG deals 42 damage per pellet, and assuming twelve pellets (as someone said, although I think it's only ten) that comes to 504 damage per shot. At 8 shots a mag, and less than a second time between shots that comes to about 4k damage, which can be applied only within about 5m, as opposed to HMG's 25m.

Limiting the SG to heavy suits would necessitate a serious buff, either in range (which would render either it or HMG useless) or damage, which would be meaningless thanks to the pathetic speeds of Sentinels.

It's actually pretty balanced at the moment; fixing the way scouts can brick and still move as fast as assaults and fixing the cloak firing bug should sort it out as a weapon.

EDIT: and I think you misunderstand the thrust of my comment about the title; I'm simply saying that it's easier for all concerned if a title that describes the contents is given; a title like yours actually implies a troll post (which I'm not saying this was), which is what I came here expecting.

Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 806	Posted - 2014.05.30 01:39:00 - [1] - Quote How is it that a shotgun can two and three shot a sentinel ..??.. when the one that can do the most damage is the Allotek Breach that does 52.80 HP of damage per shot and even with a three percent damage increase per level this seems impossible . I never could understand . Please enlighten me . Most sentinels have well over 1100 HP's and some even more ... also factoring in the resistance bonuses . I have been hit with AT and XT missiles and they didn't do anywhere the damage that a shotgun has done and missiles can take out vehicles . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 806	Posted - 2014.05.30 01:56:00 - [2] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: 52.8 damage per pellet. Ten pellets or something like that . Also, make better titles. I'm not trying to win any writing awards I mean that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand . Try to stay on topic please ... you started out strong and fizzled out at the end . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 806	Posted - 2014.05.30 01:57:00 - [3] - Quote So the damage is per pellet ??? Alright ... I thought it was each shot meaning round that goes off . Wow . The description is misleading . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 807	Posted - 2014.05.30 01:59:00 - [4] - Quote So how many pellets are in one shot ? Ten ??? Edit : If so then that means that the resistance bonuses are garbage . The shotgun should be a heavy weapon then if it deals that much damage . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 807	Posted - 2014.05.30 02:00:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Standard plasma cannons can 2 shot sentinels, and they have more range than shotguns. Thanks for the info . I was just looking to understand the mechanics of the shotgun . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 807	Posted - 2014.05.30 02:11:00 - [6] - Quote Sentinels need better resistance damage bonuses . Now I see why so many stopped using assault rifles and started using shotguns . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 808	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:15:00 - [7] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: its 52.8 per pellet and there is about 12 pellets Oh o.k. Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 809	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:26:00 - [8] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: 52.8 damage per pellet. Ten pellets or something like that . Also, make better titles. I'm not trying to win any writing awards I mean that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand . Try to stay on topic please ... you started out strong and fizzled out at the end . Has everything to do with the topic at hand. And a better title = better answers from people who actually know what they're talking about - like shotgunners. Well that's where observational skills come into the picture . If people see the discussion at hand then they can comment . This is not an attempt to castrate the shotgun .. but to understand the mechanics and why most shotguns can two and three shot a role that has a resistance bonus that's basically crap compared to that weapon . It should at least take four shots on a regular for a shotgun to kill a sentinel . People get up in arms about posts just from the title alone and that's not what I was looking for . I needed cooler heads to explain to me so that a real discussion could take place and not people thinking that I was another whiner looking to nerf their weapon because .. that's not the case . If people take the time to read the discussions , then they can choose to comment or not and it doesn't take a shotgun player to comment because unlike myself ... there are many players that understand far more on a larger range and can bring meat to the table in the form of an unbiased discussion ... instead of players trying to talk while riled up because they are feeling attacked . It seems to be going well so far and I have the answers that I was looking for and not an argument or people feeling threatened . That was my goal and not another attacking role thread . I as the writer , became satisfied but as a reader you are not so that's life . I think there was great insight for me . Thank you . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 809	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:30:00 - [9] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: How is it that a shotgun can two and three shot a sentinel ..??.. when the one that can do the most damage is the Allotek Breach that does 52.80 HP of damage per shot and even with a three percent damage increase per level this seems impossible . I never could understand . Please enlighten me . Most sentinels have well over 1100 HP's and some even more ... also factoring in the resistance bonuses . I have been hit with AT and XT missiles and they didn't do anywhere the damage that a shotgun has done and missiles can take out vehicles . the shoty has 12 little bullets that come out of it for x amount of dmg stated for each bullet... so at 52 that's like 624 dmg a shot I see . Thank you . I didn't understand at first , so that's why I asked . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 809	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: So how many pellets are in one shot ? Ten ??? Edit : If so then that means that the resistance bonuses are garbage . The shotgun should be a heavy weapon then if it deals that much damage . you know its funny you should say that... a while back there was a threadnaught about that very thing... it became a running joke for a while.... It should be considering the damage that it distributes . I'm not on the band wagon for such but considering the damage out put it seems kind of obvious . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 810	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:49:00 - [11] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Do you go airsoft?. What's airsoft ? Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 810	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:56:00 - [12] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: it has no range and a slow rate of fire.... comparatively in the time it takes to put 2 well placed rounds in someone, a combat rifle (well aimed) can put just as much or more dmg into a merc... and it is good in any range... shotguns take a lot of skill to use effectively because you need to get in close....real close. so you can see why scouts love them because of how quick and stealthy they move... easy to get in close (easier anyway) I personally run a minmitar logi (mostly the dren bpo) and a shotgun... I use my LAV to get in close or I assist the heavies in point defence... I cant tell you how often I am simply out ranged by an enemy, but when I do get in close it's almost a sure kill for me... so it does have it's drawbacks to balance it's advantages.... unfortuneatly the way scouts are built right now it makes the shotty seem imbalanced... but its the suit not the weapon. I use to use it but didn't skill into it even though I have a ton off of salvage ... but I like gun fight , not saying that shotgun use isn't a gun fight but it all goes back to the sniper rifle for me . If I use HAV's and then try to snipe , my sniping is off for some reason ... just like using the shotgun . If I use a plasma assault rifle , HMG or forge gun and then try to snipe , my aim isn't effected ... so I try to use weapons that don't throw my sniping off . I don't know why its like that for me but sniping is my marker .. if anything throws me off of that I try to use it sparingly . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 810	Posted - 2014.05.30 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: So how many pellets are in one shot ? Ten ??? Edit : If so then that means that the resistance bonuses are garbage . The shotgun should be a heavy weapon then if it deals that much damage . you know its funny you should say that... a while back there was a threadnaught about that very thing... it became a running joke for a while.... It should be considering the damage that it distributes . I'm not on the band wagon for such but considering the damage out put it seems kind of obvious . It would be pretty underpowered for a heavy weapon, tbh. Assuming no overheat and continuous firing (cos I can't remember the HMG overheat values right now) you'd get 10.6s of firing, which, at 720 DPS at STD (18 damage per shot at 240 RPM) comes to 7600 damage per magazine. A STD SG deals 42 damage per pellet, and assuming twelve pellets (as someone said, although I think it's only ten) that comes to 504 damage per shot. At 8 shots a mag, and less than a second time between shots that comes to about 4k damage, which can be applied only within about 5m, as opposed to HMG's 25m. Limiting the SG to heavy suits would necessitate a serious buff, either in range (which would render either it or HMG useless) or damage, which would be meaningless thanks to the pathetic speeds of Sentinels. It's actually pretty balanced at the moment; fixing the way scouts can brick and still move as fast as assaults and fixing the cloak firing bug should sort it out as a weapon. EDIT: and I think you misunderstand the thrust of my comment about the title; I'm simply saying that it's easier for all concerned if a title that describes the contents is given; a title like yours actually implies a troll post (which I'm not saying this was), which is what I came here expecting. I understand , I apologize if I insulted you in any way . I just didn't want players thinking I was calling for a nerf to the shotgun because I'm not . Your right when you explain it that way , it would be a bad heavy weapon ... I was just thinking about the damage output . It mimic's a heavy weapon but Seymour's comments helped me to understand more just like everyone that has commented and that's what I like . I just wanted to be simple and not try to get people up in arms . Thanks to all that's commenting on this subject , I should have titled the discussion better but like I said , I didn't want people heated for this , that wouldn't have helped me to understand like I have begun to now because of the feedback . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 813	Posted - 2014.05.30 17:14:00 - [14] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: 52.8 damage per pellet. Ten pellets or something like that . Also, make better titles. I'm not trying to win any writing awards I mean that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand . Try to stay on topic please ... you started out strong and fizzled out at the end . Please learn how to properly engage in discourse and discussion before attempting to do so. Are you serious ??? I'm getting what I needed from this conversation so you can suck it . Take that PC $h!t somewhere else phallus head . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .